A Response to Wendy Aron
Wendy Aron, author of Hide & Seek: How I Laughed at Depression, Conquered My Fears and Found Happiness
, left the following comment in response to my post earlier today (Caution: A Reader's Personal Experience with Paxil):
Thank you for sharing your viewpoint in such a non-combative way, Wendy.
There are many sides to the issue of Depression, and I'm glad that the internet allows for open discussions both pro and con of current psychiatric procedures, as well as the explorations of alternatives to the traditional paths that modern psychology sometimes frowns upon.
Even though some might suggest that you became depressed again because your mind rebounded when you discontinued usage, as can happen with Zoloft or Paxil, I would guess you belong to the small percentage of people that find psychmeds helpful, considering how long you have been on Elavil. As I've written about before, and will write about again tomorrow, recent studies have shown that only a small percentage of people respond to anti-depressants. The rest either don't respond at all, respond poorly with a cornucopia of side-effects, or respond no differently to anti-depressants than they do placebos. Shocking to the researchers, that meant that placebos were just as effective as anti-depressants for a large percentage of the study group.
There are theories out there that the only reason these shocking studies were released last Fall and Winter was because many current anti-depressants are coming up on the end of their patent period. If the old class of drugs is shown to be ineffective, then the way is made clear for the new drugs while diminishing the impact of the new affordable generics based on the old class. I can share links with you, if you wish.
At any rate, the problem as I see it, Wendy, is that while there are people like you and my blogging friend, Therese, who have found relief with psychotropic meds, there are many people like myself who have not found relief. We still suffer. If we complain about the damage these meds have done to us, we invariably upset somebody. If we find solutions to our Depression outside of medication, whether by positive thinking, faith in God, or other alternative medicines, we are attacked. In my case, depressives on meds often accuse me of being irresponsible or of not being depressed at all. A larger portion of the complaints seem to be based in insecurities as they fear that I'm suggesting they are somehow lesser than I because they need meds. This is an unfortunate result of my emphasis on how I overcame and manage my Depression by will alone (with a lot of help from a healthy dose of humor). My beliefs are meant to inspire those like myself who are hurting but need help - people who cannot or will not use psychotropics. Alas, I cannot please everyone, but I explain all this so that you and others can understand where I am coming from.
I'm glad your response was not like one of those I just listed. Too often I am railed against because of my editorial position. I manage my Depression without medication. I had very little choice. It was either beat off the black dog and live, or crawl into a hole and die. Suicidal ideation is a difficult burden to bear. I am glad that I no longer suffer from it.
To be honest, I had not heard of Elavil before, perhaps because it is an older class of drug. I will look into it to be better informed. In the meantime, I do hope to see you in the comments section more often. I had heard of your book before and had flagged it as one to possibly read. I will move it up the list and give it an hearty review sometime soon. Good luck with your sales and congratulations for finding happiness.
~Douglas
I have had the exact opposite experience with my medication. I have been on Elavil for twenty-five years and besides a greater appetite and dry mouth I have had no terrible side effects. My psychiatrist took me off the medication completely and I got depressed again. It's been a life saver to me.

There are many sides to the issue of Depression, and I'm glad that the internet allows for open discussions both pro and con of current psychiatric procedures, as well as the explorations of alternatives to the traditional paths that modern psychology sometimes frowns upon.
Even though some might suggest that you became depressed again because your mind rebounded when you discontinued usage, as can happen with Zoloft or Paxil, I would guess you belong to the small percentage of people that find psychmeds helpful, considering how long you have been on Elavil. As I've written about before, and will write about again tomorrow, recent studies have shown that only a small percentage of people respond to anti-depressants. The rest either don't respond at all, respond poorly with a cornucopia of side-effects, or respond no differently to anti-depressants than they do placebos. Shocking to the researchers, that meant that placebos were just as effective as anti-depressants for a large percentage of the study group.
There are theories out there that the only reason these shocking studies were released last Fall and Winter was because many current anti-depressants are coming up on the end of their patent period. If the old class of drugs is shown to be ineffective, then the way is made clear for the new drugs while diminishing the impact of the new affordable generics based on the old class. I can share links with you, if you wish.
At any rate, the problem as I see it, Wendy, is that while there are people like you and my blogging friend, Therese, who have found relief with psychotropic meds, there are many people like myself who have not found relief. We still suffer. If we complain about the damage these meds have done to us, we invariably upset somebody. If we find solutions to our Depression outside of medication, whether by positive thinking, faith in God, or other alternative medicines, we are attacked. In my case, depressives on meds often accuse me of being irresponsible or of not being depressed at all. A larger portion of the complaints seem to be based in insecurities as they fear that I'm suggesting they are somehow lesser than I because they need meds. This is an unfortunate result of my emphasis on how I overcame and manage my Depression by will alone (with a lot of help from a healthy dose of humor). My beliefs are meant to inspire those like myself who are hurting but need help - people who cannot or will not use psychotropics. Alas, I cannot please everyone, but I explain all this so that you and others can understand where I am coming from.
I'm glad your response was not like one of those I just listed. Too often I am railed against because of my editorial position. I manage my Depression without medication. I had very little choice. It was either beat off the black dog and live, or crawl into a hole and die. Suicidal ideation is a difficult burden to bear. I am glad that I no longer suffer from it.
To be honest, I had not heard of Elavil before, perhaps because it is an older class of drug. I will look into it to be better informed. In the meantime, I do hope to see you in the comments section more often. I had heard of your book before and had flagged it as one to possibly read. I will move it up the list and give it an hearty review sometime soon. Good luck with your sales and congratulations for finding happiness.
~Douglas
Comments
Thanks for explaining your position so eloquently. If the truth be told, I wish I could get off my psych meds so that I wouldn't have any side effects at all. Also, I believe that the less medication you have to take in general, the better off you are. If I didn't take Elavil, however, I'd be up 24-7 as insomnia is my biggest problem. Like I said, I've tried to get off of it and it didn't work. I'm really happy for you that you can control your depression without meds.
Best,
Wendy
p.s. If you want to receive an advance review copy of my book just leave your address at my website: www.wendyaron.com Thanks!
He's got the most comprehensive info on drugs I've ever come across, and in understandable language. (I might mention here that some of his language is also fairly colorful so if you have tender ears, be forewarned.)
Over the years, I've become a big, big proponent of being a proactive and educated consumer of medical treatments and care. Yes, at times it's a drag doing all that research but I've found that the most dedicated, compassionate doctors are just as likely to forget to tell you to take that drug with food as are the dismissive, arrogant ones.
I'm really enjoying this blog and the comments readers make. To introduce myself: ADHD, mainly inattentive, dx'ed at age 56, depression and severe anxiety since early childhood, PTSD since early childhood with additional events compounding it throughout my life, short-term memory loss worsening since menopause and 9/11. Current psychoactive meds: Effexor, Ritalin LA (or XR, lose track), Wellbutrin, BuSpar or Klonipin, depending on level of anxiety.
Last note: I have to go back to age 35 to find a time I last felt this good. For me, Wellbutrin and Ritalin have moved me from "not feeling bad" to actually "feeling positively good" most days.
JeannieL
I recently came across your blog and I really enjoyed reading it. I am a therapist and I have a website www.coherencecounseling.com with a page about making an informed decision about medications. Please check it out. If you think your readers would be interested, I would be happy to write a guest post about being informed about medications. If you are interested, you can contact me through my site.
Wishing you well,
Tim
Wendy ~ I haven't tried Elavil, but I have tried Ambien. Even 1/4 the dosage that the doctor prescribed gave me hallucinations and made me groggy throughout the next day. Insomnia, however, is something that I am not in control of. It ravages my life. It is something that I've recently renewed my efforts to contain. Wish me luck. Thanks for the offer. I received your confirmation. Looking forward to receiving the book.
Nihon ~ Thank you. I wish I could claim I take this path out of nobility, but the truth is it has been forced upon me. The ideal of meds is appealing. Take a pill and watch your problems go away. For some people, the meds work and are necessary, but there are far too many people I've personally encountered that use the meds as a crutch to avoid facing their difficulties and mastering them, even though the crutches come with splinters of side-effects. At any rate, meds as they are now hurt me. I have followed this path because remaining a victim of disability didn't make me happy. The road is tough, indeed, but I am far happier now for having travelled it. Thanks for commenting.
LeonieJ ~ Thanks for taking time to share that with us, Jeannie. That's quite a cocktail you are on, but you sound as if you've researched things. That is so important. One drug doesn't fit us all, and we can't place blind faith in doctors. They, as you put it, don't always remember to tell us everything. Sometimes, they don't know, and other times they are receiving bonuses for prescribing certain meds to us. It is a lot of work, but our minds are precious and we cannot be careless with the things we put in our bodies that supposedly regulate the mind for us. Ever watchful. Good for you!
Don't you just love the comments people leave here? I wish all the people who simply read the RSS feed would drop by once in a while. They're really missing out.
Tim Desmond ~ Thank you for the offer, Tim. I've done guest posts in the past, but usually only from people that I know personally. I've looked over the page you described from your site. I liked what I read. I'm providing a link here for my readers to go directly to it. Thanks for commenting.
Wonderful comments as usual, one and all. Thank you for making this blog more than just an echo chamber for my opinions.
~Douglas